Legislature(2015 - 2016)GRUENBERG 120

03/18/2016 12:30 PM House JUDICIARY

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12:37:16 PM HB205
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12:37:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 205, "An  Act relating to conditions  of release;                                                               
relating to community  work service; relating to  credit toward a                                                               
sentence  of imprisonment  for certain  persons under  electronic                                                               
monitoring;   relating   to   the   restoration   under   certain                                                               
circumstances  of an  administratively revoked  driver's license,                                                               
privilege to drive, or privilege  to obtain a license; allowing a                                                               
reduction  of  penalties  for offenders  successfully  completing                                                               
court-  ordered  treatment  programs  for  persons  convicted  of                                                               
driving  under  the  influence;  relating  to  termination  of  a                                                               
revocation of  a driver's license;  relating to restoration  of a                                                               
driver's  license;  relating  to  credits toward  a  sentence  of                                                               
imprisonment,  to  good time  deductions,  and  to providing  for                                                               
earned  good time  deductions for  prisoners;  relating to  early                                                               
termination  of probation  and reduction  of  probation for  good                                                               
conduct; relating  to the  rights of  crime victims;  relating to                                                               
the disqualification of persons  convicted of certain felony drug                                                               
offenses  from  participation in  the  food  stamp and  temporary                                                               
assistance   programs;  relating   to   probation;  relating   to                                                               
mitigating   factors;   relating   to  treatment   programs   for                                                               
prisoners;  relating  to  the  duties   of  the  commissioner  of                                                               
corrections;  amending   Rule  32,   Alaska  Rules   of  Criminal                                                               
Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Before  the House  Judiciary Standing  Committee  was CSHB  205,                                                               
labeled 29-LS0896\H, adopted 3/14/16.]                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:37:47 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GRACE  ABBOTT,  Staff,  Representative Charisse  Millett,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature, turned  to  the Power  Point  slide [page  1,                                                               
bottom  slide],   "Limit  the  use  of   prison  for  lower-level                                                               
misdemeanor  offenders, Recommendation  Five,"  advised that  the                                                               
commission recommended  that the  state limit  the use  of prison                                                               
for lower-level misdemeanor offenders and  that the use of prison                                                               
and  longer sentences  does not  necessarily  reduce and  correct                                                               
recidivism.   She  advised that  the sections  addressed in  this                                                               
recommendation deal with misdemeanor  offenses, and some that are                                                               
being transitioned  into violations.   She  advised that  this is                                                               
not  the entirety  of misdemeanor  offenses,  especially class  B                                                               
misdemeanors which were looked at  specifically that exist within                                                               
statute.  She  referred to the packet of class  B misdemeanors in                                                               
front of her,  and noted that these  misdemeanors were identified                                                               
as  those  that  could  safely  be reduced  to  the  level  of  a                                                               
violation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:39:53 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  commented   she  did  not  realize   some  of  the                                                               
misdemeanors were crimes.   For example, if a person  wants to go                                                               
down  a  street and  there  is  something  blocking the  way  and                                                               
removes it,  she remarked she  did not  know the person  would be                                                               
guilty of a misdemeanor.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  offered that  the  recommendation  also changes  the                                                               
presumptive range  for class A  misdemeanors to zero to  30 days,                                                               
and  it changes  the way  the  state manages  first time  driving                                                               
under the influence  (DUI) and first time refusal to  submit to a                                                               
chemical test, as  the sentence would be  served under electronic                                                               
monitoring.   The data shows  that non-violent  misdemeanants are                                                               
the vast  majority of admissions  to prisons with a  lower number                                                               
of  violent misdemeanants,  although those  are not  touched upon                                                               
quite  as much  within  the recommendations.    She offered  that                                                               
approximately  6,600 non-violent  misdemeanants are  serving time                                                               
in jail  currently, which  is both  costly and  the state  is not                                                               
necessarily  seeing the  outcomes desired  from these  sentences.                                                               
The  commission  recommended that  the  state  limit the  use  of                                                               
prison  for  lower-level   misdemeanor  offender  by  emphasizing                                                               
alternatives  to prison,  including first  and second  time theft                                                               
under $250, because the data  does not show that their recidivism                                                               
goes down  with longer  sentences.   Therefore, she  pointed out,                                                               
the  recommendation  suggests  diverting  them  from  prison  and                                                               
requiring first  time DUI  offenders to  spend their  sentence on                                                               
electronic  monitoring,  and  also  reclassifying  certain  lower                                                               
level  misdemeanors as  violations.   Also, lowering  the penalty                                                               
for  misdemeanor  class  B  offenses  to 10  days  in  jail,  and                                                               
presumptively  setting a  zero  to 30  day  sentencing range  for                                                               
misdemeanor class  A offenses, but allowing  the court discretion                                                               
to sentence above this range if an aggravating factor is proven.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:42:45 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN referred  to  lowering the  penalty for  a                                                               
class B misdemeanor, and asked whether  it is lowering it from 90                                                               
days to 10  days, and whether the maximum sentence  a judge could                                                               
impose would be 10 days in any class B misdemeanor.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT  replied that  is her  understanding, with  the caveat                                                               
that she may be corrected.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:43:09 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  turned  to  [page  3,  bottom  slide]  "Revise  drug                                                               
penalties  to  focus  severe  punishments  on  higher-level  drug                                                               
offenders, Recommendation  Six," and  said this  is an  issue the                                                               
nation  has  been  attempting  to   address  for  years  and  the                                                               
commission  recommends that  drug penalties  be revised  to focus                                                               
severe  punishments   on  higher-level   drug  offenders.     The                                                               
commission recommended that Alaska  address the issue that adding                                                               
longer  sentences and  putting drug  offenders into  jail is  not                                                               
resulting in the  state's desired outcome.  She  offered that for                                                               
some people  the outcomes  are worse as  a result  of connections                                                               
and networking opportunities within  prison, especially with drug                                                               
offenses.  The recommendation  also addresses  ways in  which the                                                               
state  can  help drug  offenders  change  their behavior  through                                                               
rehabilitation.   It  is  known  that many  of  the state's  drug                                                               
offenders  are  truly  addicts   and  by  utilizing  options  for                                                               
rehabilitation  over simply  through  corrections,  the state  is                                                               
addressing  behaviors   and  correcting  them  for   the  future.                                                               
Sections  33-35  deal  with  misconduct  involving  a  controlled                                                               
substance in  the third degree,  and it would  change manufacture                                                               
or  delivery of  over 2.5  grams of  1A, 11A,  or 111A  drugs, or                                                               
manufacture  of  methamphetamine or  methamphetamine  precursors,                                                               
and  those  would now  fall  into  the  misconduct in  the  third                                                               
degree, she explained.  Sections  36-37 deal with manufacture and                                                               
delivery of less than 2.5 grams  of a 1A, 11A, or 111A controlled                                                               
substance, or  any amount of  an IVA or VA  controlled substance,                                                               
and  that   would  classify  down   as  misconduct   involving  a                                                               
controlled  substance  in  the second  degree.    Sections  38-39                                                               
consolidate  simple  possession of  1A,  11A,  111A, IVA  and  VA                                                               
controlled  substance   to  misconduct  involving   a  controlled                                                               
substance in the fifth degree, she further explained.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:45:23 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT  turned to [page  4, bottom slide] "Over  Last Decade,                                                               
More Offenders  Entering Prison for Drug  Crime, Staying Longer,"                                                               
and advised  there has been a  35 percent growth in  admission to                                                               
prison  for drug  offenses and  their  stay has  increased by  16                                                               
percent.   She expressed that  long prison sentences  are largely                                                               
ineffective due  to two  factors: a low  deterrent value  in that                                                               
people  are  not  afraid  of  going  to  prison,  especially  for                                                               
participating in  a drug transaction  because approximately  1 in                                                               
15,000 transactions  are detected; and,  it has little  impact on                                                               
recidivism.  In  the event the state is  not correcting behaviors                                                               
and  dealing with  the  crux of  the issue  which  many times  is                                                               
addiction,  the state  is not  necessarily  preventing them  from                                                               
getting  out and  committing another  crime.   It  is known  that                                                               
longer  prison stays  have a  criminogenic effect  and it  allows                                                               
people to  network, but  also to  be out of  their homes,  out of                                                               
their communities,  and really  have no life  to return  to other                                                               
than  that   of  crime  after   prison.    She  pointed   to  the                                                               
recommendation  and  noted  that  it  recommends  revising  these                                                               
penalties to focus on the  higher-level offenders, those who pose                                                               
the  biggest  public safety  risk.    The commission  found  that                                                               
simple possession  does not pose  a large public safety  risk and                                                               
limiting  the   maximum  penalty   for  first  and   second  time                                                               
possessions   to  one   and   six   month  suspended   sentences,                                                               
respectively,  allows the  people to  focus on  rehabilitation as                                                               
opposed  to simply  prison time.   The  recommendation creates  a                                                               
tiered  commercial drug  statute which  points to  more than  2.5                                                               
grams, obviously being  the more serious offense, than  a sale of                                                               
less than  2.5 grams, and  aligning penalties for sale  of heroin                                                               
with sale  of other  serious drugs,  such as  methamphetamine and                                                               
cocaine.    She  related  that  some of  the  statutes  were  put                                                               
together in response to issues  and; therefore, have turned out a                                                               
bit  piece-meal and  this  was  one of  the  situations in  which                                                               
serious drugs  could be classified similarly.   Currently, Alaska                                                               
does  have a  heroin epidemic,  and in  previous years  it was  a                                                               
methamphetamine epidemic  and the  state should be  targeting all                                                               
of these drugs and their use and sale the same way.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
12:48:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX   asked  whether  previously  heroin   was  treated                                                               
differently than methamphetamine or cocaine.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT responded yes, it  was dealt with more stringently and                                                               
it was  a more serious  penalty than the sale  of methamphetamine                                                               
or cocaine.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT turned  to [page  6, top  slide] "Utilize  inflation-                                                               
adjusted  property  thresholds,  Recommendation Seven,"  and  she                                                               
said  Sections  14-19 increase  the  felony  theft threshold  for                                                               
various crimes  such as, criminal mischief,  criminal simulation,                                                               
misapplication of  property, and defrauding creditors.   Sections                                                               
20-21 set  up the way  in which  inflation will be  adjusted, and                                                               
that  is by  the  Alaska  Judicial Council  that  would refer  to                                                               
various  resources in  calculating what  an inflation  adjustment                                                               
should  be, if  necessary.   She noted  that the  research behind                                                               
this points  to people  entering prison  for property  crimes and                                                               
staying longer  in prison.   Similar  to drug  crimes, admissions                                                               
are growing for property offenses, and  in the last 10 years have                                                               
grown by 16 percent, and people  are staying 13 percent longer in                                                               
jail.    The  felony  theft  threshold has  not  kept  pace  with                                                               
inflation,  and  she  referred  to 1978  when  the  felony  theft                                                               
threshold  was  set  at  about  $500  and  Alaska  really  didn't                                                               
experience a  change, it didn't adjust  at all other than  back a                                                               
couple of years ago under Senate  Bill 64 when it was adjusted up                                                               
to $750.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:50:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  pointed  out  that the  threshold  is  a                                                               
policy call and  that she has been contacted by  store owners and                                                               
police departments that are uncomfortable  with raising the theft                                                               
threshold amount.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX remarked that the entire bill is a policy call.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN surmised  that the  felony theft  level is                                                               
being raised  but it doesn't mean  that it is still  not theft at                                                               
the  lower  levels,  he  explained, it  is  just  the  difference                                                               
between felony and misdemeanor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT agreed that it  is not decriminalizing all other forms                                                               
of  theft,  it  would  just  be  shifting  the  felony  threshold                                                               
according to the commission.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:51:51 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked  whether one of the sentences  for theft would                                                               
involve an emphasis on restitution.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT deferred to Nancy Meade.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  commented  that subsequent  to  this  presentation                                                               
there are a number of people available for questions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:52:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT turned  to [page  8,  top slide]  Raising the  Felony                                                               
Theft Threshold Does Not Increase  Crime Rate," and said the data                                                               
has  shown  that  raising  the felony  theft  threshold  has  not                                                               
increased crime  rate.   The data was  based on  approximately 23                                                               
other states that  raised their felony theft  thresholds, and the                                                               
change  in threshold  had no  impact in  raising or  lowering the                                                               
state's  overall property  crime rate.    She said  that in  some                                                               
states, property and  larceny crimes actually fell  slightly at a                                                               
higher  rate  than  those  states   that  did  not  change  their                                                               
threshold.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN referred  to the second arrow  on the slide                                                               
regarding larceny rates  falling in the states  that raised their                                                               
threshold and asked whether someone  is available to address that                                                               
research finding.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT advised that Ms.  Mary Geddes, Alaska Criminal Justice                                                               
Commission staff  attorney, is online  and she has  background in                                                               
this research.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:53:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  turned to  [page  8,  bottom slide]  "Align  non-sex                                                               
felony   presumptive  ranges   with   prior  presumptive   terms,                                                               
Recommendation  Eight,"  and  noted   that  it  is  addressed  in                                                               
Sections  76-78,   dealing  with  class   A,  B,  and   C  felony                                                               
presumptive ranges.   She advised  that the  commission discussed                                                               
prior presumptive  terms and  the difference  between presumptive                                                               
terms  and ranges.   Ms.  Abbott said  that in  2005, Alaska  had                                                               
presumptive terms which  was a strict minimum  sentence from 5-20                                                               
years, for example,  with the first class A felony,  and this was                                                               
changed  as  a result  of  Blakely  v.  Washington, [542  US  296                                                             
(2004)]   where  it   was  determined   that  ranges   were  more                                                               
appropriate  when setting  the low  threshold.   The  legislative                                                               
intent in  2005 was that  these ranges  should have no  effect on                                                               
raising the time  spent incarcerated.  However, it  did have that                                                               
effect  and  sentences  became longer,  from  2004-2014  class  A                                                               
felonies grew by  80 percent, class B felonies by  8 percent, and                                                               
class  C felonies  by  17  percent.   Clearly,  she pointed  out,                                                               
despite legislative intent the sentences  did grow as a result of                                                               
those ranges  being set.   The recommendation was to  align those                                                               
ranges with  prior terms such  that the  terms for first  class A                                                               
felony  was set  at about  five and  the recommendation  from the                                                               
Alaska  Criminal Justice  Commission was  to use  that as  middle                                                               
point, as opposed to  the base for a range.   She turned to [page                                                               
10, bottom slide]  and said as opposed to having  it be from five                                                               
to eight  years, looking at  the top  line, it would  change from                                                               
three to six.  She stated  that having the presumptive term serve                                                               
as the middle  point would bring the state back  to its intent to                                                               
not  have  sentences grow  and  align  more reasonably  with  the                                                               
presumptive  terms the  state had  in  the pre-2005,  pre-Blakely                                                             
time period.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:56:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT turned to [page  11, top slide] "Expand and streamline                                                               
the use of discretionary parole,  Recommendation Nine," and noted                                                               
that  numerous  sections are  addressed:  Section  59 deals  with                                                               
administrative   parole;   Section   62  deals   with   probation                                                               
revocation; and  it continues  on to  Section 124,  which reduces                                                               
the  period  of  time  before  a  parolee  becomes  eligible  for                                                               
unconditional discharge  from parole.  The  commission found that                                                               
parole eligibility  was applied inconsistently [page  123, bottom                                                               
slide]  and, as  seen on  the slide  there are  clear eligibility                                                               
requirements;  however,  for those  who  are  eligible parole  is                                                               
vastly underutilized.  On any given  month in 2014, an average of                                                               
463  inmates  were  eligible  for  discretionary  parole  and  an                                                               
average of 15  inmates applied and received hearings.   She noted                                                               
that reasons  an inmate chose  not to apply for  parole includes:                                                               
long  waits for  parole  hearings,  fairly confusing  application                                                               
procedures, and  not receiving the  assistance inmates  needed to                                                               
apply.   The commission recommended that  discretionary parole be                                                               
expanded so  more people apply  for parole, and that  the process                                                               
be streamlined to assist people  in understanding their sentences                                                               
and rights.   She explained that discretionary  parole under this                                                               
bill would  be extended to  all felony offenders, except  class A                                                               
and unclassified felony offenders  with prior felony convictions.                                                               
Parole  hearings would  be streamlined  for lower-level  felonies                                                               
and  include  a requirement  that  any  parole eligible  inmate's                                                               
sentence  would trigger  a hearing  at least  90 days  before the                                                               
eligibility  date.   Therefore,  inmates  would  not have  to  go                                                               
through  a confusing  application  process and  a parole  hearing                                                               
would be triggered, she explained.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:59:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  turned  to  [page   14,  top  slide],  "Implement  a                                                               
specialty   parole  option   for  long-term   geriatric  inmates.                                                               
Recommendation  10,"  and  noted  that  it  received  significant                                                               
discussions  with the  goal of  reducing costs  and understanding                                                               
the low rate of recidivism with  inmates 55 years and older after                                                               
having served 10 years of  their sentence, located in Section 105                                                               
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX offered  concern regarding  Section  105, and  said                                                               
that for  the people 55  years of age  having served 10  years is                                                               
one thing,  but in the  guise of  cost-savings and being  nice to                                                               
people -  throw an  80 year  old out into  the street  because he                                                               
qualified for  geriatric parole  after he's been  in jail  for 50                                                               
years, possibly  he doesn't  necessarily want  to be  released at                                                               
that age.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  offered that  this doesn't set  the policy                                                               
on that and it reads that  a geriatric inmate must have a hearing                                                               
in order to set the policy.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  said that  it would  not require  them to                                                               
have a  parole hearing, they would  still have to go  through the                                                               
parole process.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN referred  to  Representative Lynn's  prior                                                               
question about people who are  serving sentences, are they really                                                               
behind bars, in a half-way house, or  where are they.  He said he                                                               
often  has a  vision  of an  80 year  old  geriatric in  terrible                                                               
health  receiving 15  different  medications paid  by the  state,                                                               
whereas,  if that  person was  in  custody and  not eligible  for                                                               
discretionary  parole  they would  probably  be  in the  half-way                                                               
house and  be less costly  to house.   The idea  of discretionary                                                               
parole, given  the medical  issues, would  probably be  much more                                                               
focused  on where  the  person  can actually  go,  would it  save                                                               
money, or  would the  state be able  to monitor  him effectively.                                                               
With any  discretionary parole decision the  committee is leaving                                                               
a lot  of discretion to  the Department of Corrections  about how                                                               
they manage  that, but this  is recognizing that it  is expensive                                                               
to house  people on high medical  needs that no longer  present a                                                               
meaningful danger to  the community, and how  to most effectively                                                               
manage that population, he said.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:02:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT  agreed and said  that it is discretionary  parole and                                                               
the Parole  Board has the  opportunity to determine  the public's                                                               
safety  risk and  weighs the  costs and  benefits of  that person                                                               
rejoining the community.  Clearly,  many people ages 55 and older                                                               
are fit and potentially not  accruing medical costs.  She offered                                                               
that  this recommendation  looks at  that age  group broadly  and                                                               
understands that  as a broad  category, people ages 55  and older                                                               
do  tend  to  have  more   medical  costs,  and  noted  that  the                                                               
recidivating  numbers  are   substantially  lower  for  geriatric                                                               
inmates.   This would  be an automatic  trigger for  offenders 55                                                               
and older that have served 10 years of their sentence, she said.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:04:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  turned  to [page  16,  bottom  slide],  "Incentivize                                                               
completion of  treatment for  sex offenders  with an  earned time                                                               
policy, Recommendation  Eleven," and  noted that  it is  found in                                                               
Section 136,  and acknowledged that  the science is  difficult to                                                               
accept.   The length  of stay for  Alaska's felony  sex offenders                                                               
has increased by 86 percent,  and the sex offender population has                                                               
grown by 38  percent.  She stated  that this is in  no way saying                                                               
that  it is  a  bad thing  because  it could  be  that those  are                                                               
important sentences levied for good reasons.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  expressed that she  is still waiting for  an answer                                                               
to her question  with respect to whether there  are categories of                                                               
sex  offenders, and  stressed  that  she is  having  a hard  time                                                               
accepting that any  sort of treatment program  can change someone                                                               
that has raped two year old.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT offered that members  of the Department of Corrections                                                               
(DOC) can  speak to  the actual treatments  offered, but  she has                                                               
been  told  the  treatment  is  not so  much  a  cure  for  their                                                               
impulses, but  rather a behavioral  cure and how people  act upon                                                               
heinous thoughts.   This is one of the  recommendations for which                                                               
reinvestment is  important because  currently there is  a deficit                                                               
of  treatment beds  within the  Alaska Department  of Corrections                                                               
(DOC)  and outside  of DOC,  such  that when  someone receives  a                                                               
condition of release  ordering sex offender treatment  there is a                                                               
lack of available options outside of  prison, she said.  The data                                                               
showed that in-prison  sex offender treatment had  a cost benefit                                                               
ration in that for every $1  spent on treatment, there is a $1.87                                                               
benefit returned  to the state  and state residents.   She opined                                                               
that it  is nearly impossible  to quantify the feeling  of safety                                                               
people have, but  if treatment is completed  and successful there                                                               
is  that cost  benefit.   The  need for  treatment far  outweighs                                                               
Alaska's  current supply  and  the wait  list  for in-prison  sex                                                               
offender treatment is  nearly four years long.  She  said that to                                                               
implement  this recommendation  in any  real way,  the number  of                                                               
beds in prison would need to go up which is part of reinvestment                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:08:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX listed the people available to answer questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:10:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  requested  examples of  treatment  for  sex                                                               
offenders outside of prison.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT  opined that out  of prison sex offender  treatment is                                                               
only located  in Anchorage,  and it  is an  intensive residential                                                               
treatment often taking 18-30 months to complete.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN asked whether  the people are confined within                                                               
the residential treatment center, or as in-house patients.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT opined  that it  is  residential and  the people  are                                                               
confined.   Although,  she pointed  out, a  person may  have been                                                               
released  and is  waiting to  receive treatment  based on  a wait                                                               
list,  and  at  that  point  she does  not  believe  them  to  be                                                               
confined.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:11:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  EDWARDS, Executive  Director, Parole  Board, Department  of                                                               
Corrections, advised that  on behalf of the Parole  Board, and as                                                               
head  of the  paroling  authority,  they support  the  bill.   He                                                               
pointed out  that the  Parole Board  has been  trying to  move in                                                               
this direction  on many  items mentioned  in the  bill for  a few                                                               
years.    The  bill  locks   down  the  Parole  Board's  process,                                                               
incentivizes  people to  come before  the board,  streamlines the                                                               
application  process, increases  the amount  of people  that come                                                               
before the Parole  Board, and allows the board to  have a greater                                                               
impact in the  justice system.  The Parole  Board recognizes that                                                               
there are only a few legal  ways to be released early from prison                                                               
and parole is one, and the  Parole Board takes it very seriously.                                                               
Public  safety risk  is considered  to the  highest level  as the                                                               
board's  first priority,  and this  bill allows  the board  to do                                                               
that.   Also, he  said, it  allows the Parole  Board to  target a                                                               
certain  group,  and  with  geriatric  parole  there  is  not  an                                                               
automatic release for the aging inmate  as there will be a review                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:14:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  referred to his statement  that the Parole                                                               
Board has been trying to move  in this direction in terms of more                                                               
discretionary parole.   He offered that 15 years ago  he was last                                                               
in  front  of the  Parole  Board  and  related  that he  had  the                                                               
following   two   impressions:   An  inmate   would   apply   for                                                               
discretionary  parole  and almost  every  time  the board  turned                                                               
inmates  down the  first time  because it  wanted inmates  to try                                                               
twice in order  to appreciate it more; and also  the Parole Board                                                               
didn't have many  hearings so there was a long  wait to ever even                                                               
get  considered  for  discretionary  parole.   He  asked  whether                                                               
things have changed, and how so.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS  responded that the  first question is somewhat  of a                                                               
myth because the  first time an inmate appears  before the board,                                                               
and especially  for long-term  inmates that  have been  in prison                                                               
for  decades,  the  board  attempts to  guide  inmates  in  their                                                               
release and  ensure that they  have the correct  programming, the                                                               
board  wants to  see  that their  risk has  been  reduced in  the                                                               
public  safety aspect,  and  sometimes  those applicants  haven't                                                               
fully addressed  their risk and need.   The board, in  an attempt                                                               
to minimize  those risks,  grants a  continuance after  the first                                                               
time to do  some programming, really knock down  the reentry, and                                                               
have them  a solid resident.   In the event they  need transition                                                               
the board moves them  to a CRC or EM.  The  plan often takes time                                                               
to be  certain the inmate has  fully addressed the risk,  has the                                                               
support they need in the  community, and works closely with their                                                               
institutional parole officer.   The board will see  them again to                                                               
be certain  the plan  is in place  and oftentimes  grant release.                                                               
He asked for a repeat of the second question.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:17:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  asked  how  things have  changed  in  the                                                               
frequency  the  Parole Board  meets  to  hear cases  because  his                                                               
impression is that the board moves  fairly slow to hear cases and                                                               
slow to decide discretionary parole matters.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:17:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS  replied  that  the  Parole  Board  sets  an  annual                                                               
schedule in advance, the schedule for  2016 has been set, and the                                                               
Parole Board  attempts to  travel to  each sentenced  prison with                                                               
all eligible inmates at least twice  a year.  He advised that the                                                               
schedule  is set  far in  advance in  order to  offer the  parole                                                               
officers  an  opportunity  to  work  with  the  victims  and  the                                                               
surviving families,  and to process  packets of  information and,                                                               
he  noted, the  process starts  well in  advance of  the inmate's                                                               
eligibility date.   He asked that  the committee to keep  in mind                                                               
that  the Parole  Board  hearings  are open  to  the victims  and                                                               
surviving families and many must  plan for travel; therefore, and                                                               
a lot  of advanced planning goes  into it.  He  restated that the                                                               
Parole Board does  go to each institution for  the large sentence                                                               
facilities at least twice a year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:18:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN offered  that  he  understands the  Parole                                                               
Board  is only  going twice  a year  to the  regional facilities,                                                               
such  as Anvil  Mountain in  Nome, but  does that  also mean  the                                                               
Parole Board is  meeting twice a year at places  such as the Mat-                                                               
Su and Anchorage with more  prisoners and families.  He commented                                                               
that it seems a little light for the more populous areas.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS  explained that he  was specifically speaking  to the                                                               
Parole Board's  discretionary hearings, and with  Anchorage being                                                               
mostly a  pretrial facility the board  does not conduct a  lot of                                                               
discretionary hearings.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:19:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN rephrased  his  question,  and noted  that                                                               
where  there is  a lot  of discretionary  population, it  appears                                                               
that  twice a  year is  not  very often  if the  Parole Board  is                                                               
trying to pick up  the pace in taking up these  matters.  He said                                                               
he was  referring to the  population as opposed to  the geography                                                               
and asked  whether the  Parole Board  is able  to hear  them more                                                               
often.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS responded that the board  will have to take a serious                                                               
look at that, especially with the  potential of HB 205.  He asked                                                               
the committee to keep in mind  that the Parole Board is part-time                                                               
which  is dissimilar  to a  superior court  judge with  their own                                                               
courtroom.   This  legislation  will move  their  job duties  and                                                               
responsibilities  more  to three-fourths  to  full  time and  the                                                               
appears  eager and  excited to  expand the  calendar in  order to                                                               
target  eligible   inmates  with   more  frequent   hearings  and                                                               
increased visits to facilities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:20:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked the type  of paperwork involved for the inmate                                                               
attempting to get discretionary parole.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS replied  that inmates are asked to fill  out a packet                                                               
of  information with  specific targeted  questions  such as,  the                                                               
inmate's reentry  plan, where  they plan to  live, who  they will                                                               
associate  with, employment  opportunities,  and the  programming                                                               
they've completed while incarcerated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  requested a  copy of the  application forms  so the                                                               
committee could determine  whether it would be  helpful to modify                                                               
the forms.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS  said he would  provide the information,  and offered                                                               
that within the last year the  Parole Board has basically cut the                                                               
number of  questions in half to  make the process easier  for the                                                               
inmates and the parole officers.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:22:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked  at what point, in an  inmate's sentence, they                                                               
are eligible for parole, currently.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS  replied that  it is a  difficult question  to answer                                                               
because  it  depends upon  the  number  of  crimes a  person  has                                                               
committed  and the  level of  crime.   He  explained that  parole                                                               
eligibility is a complex calculation  at times so it is difficult                                                               
to specifically answer.  Generally  speaking, he offered, it will                                                               
either  be  one-third or  one-fourths  of  the sentence  when  an                                                               
inmate becomes eligible for parole.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:23:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  surmised that  determining an  inmate's eligibility                                                               
for discretionary  parole is somewhat  complex, and asked  how an                                                               
inmate  would determine  their eligibility,  and  who they  would                                                               
ask.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS responded  that subsequent  to sentencing,  the time                                                               
accountant,   within   the   inmate's  facility,   prepares   the                                                               
mathematical calculation,  a time sheet, wherein  the eligibility                                                               
for parole  date is listed  and the inmate  receives a copy.   In                                                               
the  event the  inmate disagrees  with the  calculation or  has a                                                               
question   they  can   ask  for   clarification  from   the  time                                                               
accountant, and if  they still disagree the inmate  can appeal to                                                               
the chief time accountant for DOC, he explained.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:24:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  whether the  inmate is  allowed to  keep the                                                               
time sheet in  their cell and tape  it up so they  know the date,                                                               
and what happens if they lose the document.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS advised  that DOC is required to  give the individual                                                               
a copy of the  document and they can tape it up  in their cell if                                                               
they wish.   As a  failsafe measure  prior to the  eligibility of                                                               
each  inmate  and  prior  to   the  Parole  Board  going  to  the                                                               
institution,  in most  cases DOC  will  post a  list of  eligible                                                               
inmates and  contact each  inmate eligible  to appear  before the                                                               
Parole Board well  in advance of the Parole Board's  arrival.  He                                                               
said that  with specific  notification requirements  the eligible                                                               
inmate  will be  notified that  they  are eligible  to apply  for                                                               
parole.   They  are then  given a  form that  says check  the box                                                               
whether you  want to apply, no  apply, or apply in  the future at                                                               
some point but not at this particular time the board is coming.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:26:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN pointed  out some inmates may  have a limited                                                               
reading  and comprehension  ability,  and  asked whether  inmates                                                               
receive assistance with someone to  guide them in filling out the                                                               
forms correctly.   He advised  that he previously  taught special                                                               
education  students and  they  would  definitely need  assistance                                                               
filling out  the complicated form,  and he also requested  a copy                                                               
of the forms the inmates are expected to fill out.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS answered that the form  is simplified to a 4th or 5th                                                               
grade  level  of reading  and  comprehension.   Specifically,  he                                                               
said,  the institutional  parole officer  is tasked  with guiding                                                               
inmates through any confusing language  and to make time for one-                                                               
on-one sessions,  but he is not  certain there is a  counselor to                                                               
walk them through the process.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  pointed out  that research  shows that  many people                                                               
within the  prison system are not  capable of reading at  the 3rd                                                               
grade level  so while  she applauds his  efforts to  simplify the                                                               
forms  to  the  4th and  5th  grade  level,  it  may need  to  be                                                               
simplified beneath those levels.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:28:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER requested more information  as to why it is                                                               
complex  to  keep  track  of   the  parole  date  because  it  is                                                               
calculated in court at sentencing,  and asked whether DOC has the                                                               
authority to unilaterally change the eligibility date.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS replied  that the  Department  of Corrections  (DOC)                                                               
does   not  have   the  authority   to  change   the  eligibility                                                               
requirement as  stated within  the Alaska  Statutes.   He related                                                               
that  based  upon the  defendant's  sentence  and the  sentencing                                                               
guidelines the defendant falls into,  the court makes or does not                                                               
make the defendant eligible.   He explained that the complication                                                               
he  spoke  to  earlier  pertains  to  offenders  that  have  been                                                               
convicted of multiple  crimes, such as felony  after felony after                                                               
felony.  The complex calculation  arrives in determining which of                                                               
those  cases  are  eligible  for parole,  and  not  eligible  for                                                               
parole, and there  are presumptive consecutive cases  with two or                                                               
three cases stacked  together the inmate is serving time  on.  He                                                               
agreed  that the  simple one  case that  goes to  court and  gets                                                               
sentenced  by the  judge  should be  a  fairly easy  calculation.                                                               
Although, he  reiterated, when it  is the  3rd, 4th, 5th,  or 6th                                                               
felony and DOC is tasked  with making those calculations and some                                                               
of those  cases are not eligible  for parole, some are,  is where                                                               
it gets complicated.   He described the time  accounting class as                                                               
probably the  most difficult training  class within DOC, it  is a                                                               
40 hour class and specifically  targets the ability to make these                                                               
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:31:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  noted  that  his description  of  the  process  as                                                               
complicated  for  the  typical  prisoner to  calculate,  and  she                                                               
assumed that under this bill it would be radically simplified.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS   responded  that  the  calculations   will  not  be                                                               
simplified.   He opined that the  intent of the bill  is that the                                                               
process  be  simplified  but  the   actual  number  crunching  of                                                               
eligible inmates  may not  be as simplified.   He  further opined                                                               
that the  bill is more  targeted to ensure that  eligible inmates                                                               
will appear before the Parole  Board, and that the Parole Board's                                                               
process for  release will  be simplified.   He extended  that the                                                               
Parole Board's hope  and direction is to make  and streamline the                                                               
process and  once the committee  reviews the application,  it can                                                               
work on  simplifying that  process and make  it easier  to apply.                                                               
Although,  it is  not necessarily  referring to  the calculations                                                               
for when  an inmate is,  or is  not, eligible for  application to                                                               
parole.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:32:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CLAMAN  referred   to  AS   33.16.090  regarding                                                               
eligibility  for discretionary  parole  and minimum  terms to  be                                                               
served, and opined that within the  early days of the state there                                                               
was "statutory good time," which  is different than discretionary                                                               
parole.  The initial automatic  good time credit was changed from                                                               
25 percent  to 33 1/3 percent  and within the older  statutes the                                                               
discretionary parole  was generally available after  serving one-                                                               
third of  the sentence,  he advised.   Currently, there  are many                                                               
different  variations regarding  the  calculation depending  upon                                                               
the crime, the presumptive sentence,  where 180 days fits in, how                                                               
many prior  offenses, and it  is a more  complicated calculation.                                                               
In  broad terms,  he  said, there  was a  time  when a  defendant                                                               
entered prison with  a three year sentence, they  knew they would                                                               
be released after  two years if they followed the  rules.  In the                                                               
event the  inmate did  not follow  the rules  a portion  of their                                                               
good  time could  be lost  and the  inmate would  be required  to                                                               
serve part of the third year.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:34:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  continued that the average  prisoner would                                                               
be released  upon the completion  of two years and  this prisoner                                                               
would  be up  for discretionary  parole  after one  year and,  he                                                               
offered,  that the  calculation has  changed in  terms of  how to                                                               
calculate  when eligible.    He said  that  unless something  has                                                               
changed,  once  a defendant  was  sentenced  and entered  prison,                                                               
within  the first  day or  first week,  their in-house  probation                                                               
officer sat down with them  and calculated [time] based upon when                                                               
they were sentenced  and whether it was the 25  percent good time                                                               
or 33  1/3 percent  good time.   The  probation officer  "did all                                                               
these  calculations like  you  would do  now  under the  existing                                                               
statute,"  and the  inmate received  a  document depicting  their                                                               
sentence, good time credit, and  the date the inmate was eligible                                                               
for  parole.   In  the  event the  inmate  was  unhappy with  the                                                               
calculations  they could  ask someone  to take  another look  ask                                                               
their fellow inmates  whether the calculations were  correct.  He                                                               
assured the committee  there is a tremendous  amount of knowledge                                                               
amongst  those incarcerated  regarding  these  calculations.   He                                                               
offered, that  the notion that  once the calculation is  done and                                                               
there  is confusion  is actually  not  that big  of a  risk.   He                                                               
remarked that  the prisoners  know exactly the  day they  will be                                                               
released and  if the  calculation was  incorrect there  are three                                                               
inmates  advising   them  how   the  calculation   was  performed                                                               
incorrectly.   It  is certainly  is more  complicated, he  added,                                                               
because as he  read through the statutes it made  his eyes cross,                                                               
and asked Mr. Edwards whether his description was accurate.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWARDS  agreed with his  description and clarified  that the                                                               
institutional parole officer no longer  calculates the dates.  He                                                               
advised that the inmate's complete  file and history is forwarded                                                               
to a  certified time accountant,  usually a sergeant  or criminal                                                               
justice technician,  designated by  DOC to make  the calculations                                                               
and that  time accountant  has attended  the class  he previously                                                               
described.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CLAMAN  surmised   that   currently  there   are                                                               
specialists performing the calculations.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX requested  information regarding  the inmates  that                                                               
are never  eligible for  parole, and whether  HB 205  will change                                                               
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS  opined  that  HB  205 will  expand  the  number  of                                                               
eligible inmates,  and there  are specific  groups that  now will                                                               
become eligible to apply.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  asked the  type of  group that  is not  eligible to                                                               
apply currently.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS  further  opined  that   there  are  groups  of  sex                                                               
offenders and repeat  sex offenders not eligible  to apply, those                                                               
who have committed  a second felony and it  becomes a consecutive                                                               
sentence, and a class of  unclassified inmates such as murderers.                                                               
He advised he will provide a specific crime list.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX advised that she would like the list.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:39:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG   RAZO,  Chairman,   Alaska  Criminal   Justice  Commission,                                                               
referred  to  the  parole  eligibility   section  and  the  chart                                                               
depicting  inconsistencies  within  current Alaska  Statutes  for                                                               
inmates  eligible  for  parole.   The  chart  shows  the  statute                                                               
inconsistencies  such that  while unclassified  felony offenders,                                                               
on  their first  felony, or  even  with two  prior felonies  have                                                               
eligibility for parole, whereas,  class A felony offenders across                                                               
the board do not, nor do  class B felony offenders.  He suggested                                                               
that  the legislature  consider  correcting that  situation.   He                                                               
referred to the  next slide, and agreed that parole  is a complex                                                               
system  when 463  inmates  are  eligible and  only  15 receive  a                                                               
hearing.    The  simple  deduction  is  that  something  must  be                                                               
interfering with that  eligibility and the actual  getting to the                                                               
hearing and, he  related that it is probably the  complexity.  He                                                               
said  if  the  state  incentivizes corrections  officers  in  the                                                               
institution to assist  in getting parole hearings it  may be more                                                               
productive.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:42:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO turned to the  policies developed by the Alaska Criminal                                                               
Justice Commission, and advised that  the commission took the job                                                               
seriously.   The  commission insisted  on unanimous  consensus in                                                               
order to  bring recommendations to  the legislature.   He related                                                               
that  the  commission   was  stunned  by  the   large  number  of                                                               
misdemeanor offenders, even  low-level misdemeanants sentenced to                                                               
prison  every year  and  that  67 percent  of  all admissions  to                                                               
prison in  2014 were for  non-violent misdemeanors.   He referred                                                               
to another  chart that depicted  the state prison  system clogged                                                               
with the least  serious offenders and pointed out  that the state                                                               
is spending  money on the least  serious sorts of crimes  and not                                                               
on the  most dangerous people.   He said that when  adding in all                                                               
of the misdemeanors combined, 82  percent of admissions to prison                                                               
are for  misdemeanor offenses and,  he said, this cycling  in and                                                               
out  of  misdemeanors  translates  to millions  and  millions  of                                                               
dollars  and  DOC  dollars,  court  dollars,  and  public  safety                                                               
dollars, it  affects local  communities and  local jails,  and it                                                               
clogs  the  corrections  system  in  that  it  does  not  produce                                                               
dividends.    Compared  to  defendants  sentenced  to  probation,                                                               
numerous studies  have found  that jail  terms make  offenders no                                                               
less likely  to commit crime upon  release.  The point  being, he                                                               
advised,  is  that there  are  prison  alternatives to  jail  for                                                               
misdemeanants  that  are  more   effective  such  as,  probation,                                                               
treatment,  community  supervision,  and there  are  simply  more                                                               
effective  things  to do  with  state  correctional dollars  than                                                               
imprison  people.     To  address   this  issue,   he  explained,                                                               
originally the commission's recommendation  was to reclassify all                                                               
of  the class  B misdemeanors  to violations  - the  non-criminal                                                               
offenses, and  set a threshold  of $250 fine for  those offenders                                                               
and get  them out of the  system, but the recommendation  was met                                                               
with skepticism.   He offered  that when  he was a  young zealous                                                               
prosecutor he  was referred a case  by the police for  taunting a                                                               
police  dog  that he  actually  took  to  trial and  after  being                                                               
laughed out  of court by  the judge  and jury, realized  that the                                                               
state  has class  B misdemeanors  on  the books  that are  simply                                                               
ridiculous.   He  opined  that  taking a  hard  look  at class  B                                                               
misdemeanors is important and that  is why the recommendation was                                                               
to make those violations.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:45:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO referred  to  the  notion that  the  first-time DUI  be                                                               
served  on electronic  monitoring  and  explained that  currently                                                               
electronic monitoring is very sophisticated,  as it can track the                                                               
location  of a  person, whether  they've left  their zone,  their                                                               
consumption of alcohol, and a  number of things can be monitored.                                                               
These days,  the commission's recommendation  to allow  people to                                                               
serve time  on electronic  monitoring is  happening for  the most                                                               
part  across the  state when  electronic monitoring  is available                                                               
and  the utilization  of a  prison alternative  "saves the  state                                                               
money by not  having to spend that $154 a  day for imprisonment,"                                                               
he explained.   The commission also  recommended a 30 day  cap on                                                               
class  A misdemeanors  ensuring that  the majority  of defendants                                                               
would see their sentences reduced to  under one month.  He stated                                                               
that there was still the  opportunity for argument for those most                                                               
serious  misdemeanors,  the  serious aggravated  misdemeanors  to                                                               
have a sentence longer than the  30 day recommendation.  Mr. Razo                                                               
then  referred  to  the  drug  penalties  and  offered  that  the                                                               
commission  reviewed many  documents  depicting  the benefits  of                                                               
prison versus  the benefits of  alternatives to prison.   He said                                                               
that the consensus  within the commission was that  Alaska has an                                                               
epidemic  of  addiction  and prisons  are  filled  with  addicted                                                               
people.    He  repeated  the story  he  previously  testified  to                                                               
regarding Anvil  Mountain Correctional  Center and  Alaska Native                                                               
people.    Addiction fills  Alaska's  prisons  but  it is  not  a                                                               
criminal justice  problem, it is  a health problem  affecting the                                                               
entire state  and the reinvestment  money should be spent  on the                                                               
treatment  of addiction,  he stressed.   Frankly,  he said,  this                                                               
serious heroin epidemic fits squarely  into those categories, and                                                               
it is not  the first time a  popular drug has been  a scourge and                                                               
pariah in  this state.   Thirty  years ago  the drug  scourge was                                                               
cocaine, then crack cocaine, then  methamphetamines, and as those                                                               
drugs became  more popular the  state ratcheted up  the sentences                                                               
on each  of them  and now  the state has  a prison  system filled                                                               
with  drug offenders  without treatment  in prison  for the  most                                                               
part.    The commission  recommended  treatment  in prison,  more                                                               
treatment available  upon reentry,  and reclassification  of drug                                                               
penalties.    He pointed  to  the  fact  that  the state  is  not                                                               
treating this situation as the health problem it actually is.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:50:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO offered  that one  drug recommendation  relates to  the                                                               
differentiation  between high-level  commercial dealers  and low-                                                               
level dealers.   He  related that the  intention was  to simplify                                                               
the statutes so  a law enforcement officer did not  have to carry                                                               
a scale to  determine whether it is  one gram or 16  ounces, or a                                                               
pound.    Originally, he  advised,  a  majority of  commissioners                                                               
thought that 5  grams of a serious controlled  substance would be                                                               
the correct amount, but consensus  was the 2.5 grams reflected in                                                               
the  bill.   He offered  that it  created a  simpler system  that                                                               
focused  the state's  dollars and  the state's  resources on  the                                                               
most serious offenders, the commercial  dealers.  He advised that                                                               
the  felony  theft   threshold  recommendations  arrived  through                                                               
research, and said  that the evidence shows it  actually makes no                                                               
difference  as  to the  level  of  theft  threshold in  terms  of                                                               
reducing crime.   There  is no correlation  between the  two and,                                                               
statistically, he  pointed out,  it cannot  be said  that raising                                                               
the theft dollar threshold will result  in more crime and that 23                                                               
other states  have raised the  theft threshold and have  not seen                                                               
an increase  in felony theft.   He offered  that this is  a prime                                                               
opportunity to  determine whether the state's  statutes correlate                                                               
with the intended  result of less criminal behavior,  and in this                                                               
case the statutes  don't and now is the opportunity.   He related                                                               
that he  understands the business  community is up in  arms about                                                               
this and  that he has been  a businessman, but in  business it is                                                               
important to understand the numbers  and the numbers in this case                                                               
do not support the state's current laws.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:52:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  surmised that research  shows that the  states that                                                               
have passed  laws regarding  the number for  the felony  have not                                                               
seen an increase in felony  theft, and asked whether these states                                                               
have seen an increase in misdemeanor theft.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO clarified that they have not seen an increase in crime.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  recalled the  slide regarding  states that                                                               
had increased  the theft thresholds  in comparison to  those that                                                               
had  not,  and that  the  states  that  had increased  the  theft                                                               
thresholds actually  saw a  reduction in  overall larcenies.   He                                                               
asked him to speak to that research finding.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO deferred  to Susanne  DiPietro of  the Alaska  Judicial                                                               
Council,  and  advised  the   Alaska  Judicial  Council  provided                                                               
technical  advice,  as  well  as  representatives  from  The  PEW                                                               
Charitable Trust.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:54:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSANNE  DIPIETRO, Executive  Director, Alaska  Judicial Council,                                                               
Alaska Court  System, advised  that nationwide  and in  Alaska as                                                               
well until the last few months,  there has been a general overall                                                               
decrease in property and larceny crime.   She pointed out that 19                                                               
of the  23 states  that have raised  their felony  threshold have                                                               
continued to  experience property  crime decreases that  had been                                                               
the trend over the last 10 years or so.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked whether there were  different trends                                                               
in the states that did not their felony threshold.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. DIPIETRO  offered that the  PEW study compared the  23 states                                                               
that had raised their felony  theft thresholds to states that had                                                               
not, and there was no difference  between the two in the rates of                                                               
property and larceny crimes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:55:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN referred to some  of the responses Mr. Razo                                                               
had  heard  from the  business  community  regarding concerns  in                                                               
raising  the  felony  theft threshold  which  sounds  like  store                                                               
owners and others.  He offered  that the most common complaint he                                                               
has heard from  business owners in Anchorage with  regard to low-                                                               
level thefts of  up to $1,000 or more, is  that when they receive                                                               
a  shop lift  and  call the  police department,  it  is rare  the                                                               
police have the  time and resources to respond.   He asked within                                                               
Mr. Razo's  experience as  a prosecutor  in terms  of businesses,                                                               
were  they  satisfied  with the  prosecution  of  relatively  low                                                               
dollar thefts at that time, or  has this been a long time pattern                                                               
wherein businesses  would like a  more aggressive  prosecution of                                                               
shoplifting but the state does not have the resources.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO responded that the  prevalence of shoplifting, low-level                                                               
theft in retail stores is  fairly significant and it is something                                                               
that  businesses abhor  because they  don't make  any money  when                                                               
someone steals from them.   He advised that Representative Claman                                                               
is  correct in  that those  cases are  very rarely  prosecuted or                                                               
even investigated by police officers,  and the cases are disposed                                                               
of through  plea negotiations  well before  anyone goes  to jail.                                                               
He  concluded  that,  based   upon  his  experiences,  repetitive                                                               
thieves generally  have some  reason for the  fact that  they are                                                               
stealing and generally it involves  their addiction problem.  The                                                               
people  are using  the money  gained from  stealing to  support a                                                               
drug  or  alcohol habit  and,  he  opined,  if the  state  starts                                                               
dealing with the underlying cause  for the criminal behavior, the                                                               
state's money is better spent.   Thereby, simply throwing someone                                                               
in prison  and not dealing  with what  brought them to  prison in                                                               
the  first place  doesn't make  as  much sense  as spending  less                                                               
money for more effective treatment, he expressed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN referred  back to the issue  of raising the                                                               
felony theft  threshold and  opined that  the frustration  of the                                                               
business  community is  the shortage  of  resources to  prosecute                                                               
those crimes and, he indicated,  that will not change whether the                                                               
felony theft threshold is raised or left the same.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  responded that  much of  frustration is  the repetitive                                                               
nature  of the  criminal conduct.   He  said he  did not  have an                                                               
answer to whether the frustration is due to lack of resources.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:59:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  asked   whether  the  business  community                                                               
responded to the data that  the commission's recommendations were                                                               
based upon,  and whether  there is  dueling data  out there.   He                                                               
further asked whether it is  Mr. Razo's opinion that the business                                                               
community is ignoring  the fact that it won't do  any good anyway                                                               
to keep  the threshold low,  is it  viewed as a  disincentive for                                                               
crime or is there more to it than that.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO responded  that the  Alaska Statutes  aim to  achieve a                                                               
number of  goals in sentencing,  such as  community condemnation,                                                               
and the  business community believes that  community condemnation                                                               
is  more significant  than the  potential  for rehabilitation  of                                                               
someone  that steals  from  them  over and  over  again, so  that                                                               
becomes  the focus.   He  opined that  it is  not consciously  or                                                               
intentionally  disregarding  evidence   suggesting  there  is  no                                                               
correlation.   He further opined  that the business  community in                                                               
general  believes community  condemnation  is  such an  important                                                               
goal that regardless  of the evidence, it is  worthwhile to spend                                                               
money  on these  low-level  offenses that  are  not dangerous  to                                                               
anyone.   With regard to  raising the felony theft  threshold, he                                                               
said  that  while the  commission  was  in Kotzebue  an  attorney                                                               
within  the court  system testified  that  if a  young person  in                                                               
Kotzebue steals a Rock Star and  a candy bar from a grocery store                                                               
it is  a felony theft,  yet in Anchorage it  is not.   He pointed                                                               
out that it simply speaks to  the vast difference in value across                                                               
the State of Alaska for the same crimes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:02:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX related  a concern voiced by  the business community                                                               
having to  do with misdemeanors and  the balance of what  will be                                                               
prosecuted,  such that  if  it is  a misdemeanor  it  may not  be                                                               
prosecuted  at  all,  whereas  if  it is  a  felony  it  will  be                                                               
prosecuted.  She  asked whether that would  affect the statistics                                                               
on  the thefts  because if  they  are not  being prosecuted  then                                                               
possibly the crimes  are still being committed  and possibly even                                                               
more thefts  are committed, but  if they're not  being prosecuted                                                               
they will not show up in the statistics.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO replied that he does  not have personal knowledge of the                                                               
level of  prosecution of felony  theft or misdemeanor theft.   He                                                               
opined  that Chair  LeDoux is  accurate in  her reporting  of the                                                               
concerns of the business community,  but in reviewing the statute                                                               
the focus from  the very beginning was to  achieve greater public                                                               
safety by targeting the most dangerous  offenders.  At the end of                                                               
the  day, he  remarked, the  property offenses  are contained  in                                                               
separate part from the statutes  than the offenses against people                                                               
for  a reason.    He opined  that when  there  is no  correlation                                                               
between the  intended effects of  reducing crime with  the dollar                                                               
level of  theft, that it  makes more  sense to at  least consider                                                               
that that is an alternative for the committee's judgement.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:04:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO referred  to the recommendation to  align non-sex felony                                                               
presumptive ranges  with Alaska's  prior presumptive  ranges, and                                                               
remarked that  this issue is  important to understand.   In 2005,                                                               
he  pointed  out,  the laws  were  completely  different  because                                                               
presumptive sentencing  existed and he  could tell a  client that                                                               
if they were convicted for  this offense the presumptive sentence                                                               
for their class  C felony was five years.   Shortly after Blakely                                                             
v  Washington,  542  US  296  (2004),  it  all  changed  and  the                                                             
legislature   changed   the   statutes  to   conform   with   the                                                               
requirements  of the  findings  in  Blakely.   As  a result,  the                                                             
presumptive sentence  in 2005  became the  floor of  a sentencing                                                               
range that was developed into  the new statutes.  The legislature                                                               
was clear  at the time that  they were not intending  to increase                                                               
the length of sentence, but the  fact is that that's exactly what                                                               
happened by  this change in  the felony sentencing statutes.   He                                                               
advised that  the consequence  has been  a substantial  change in                                                               
the length of time  people spend in prison.  The  proof is in the                                                               
data, average  felony sentence  lengths are  up 31  percent since                                                               
presumptive ranges went  into effect, and even though  it was not                                                               
the legislature's  intent to  have this  happen, it  happened and                                                               
the  commission felt  this  is the  time to  correct  that.   The                                                               
commission  recommended putting  the state's  sentencing back  to                                                               
what  it  was  10 years  ago,  and  to  allow  for the  range  of                                                               
sentences  that  includes  the   prior  presumptive  term.    The                                                               
commission   believes  the   recommendation  will   substantially                                                               
achieve  the desire  to increase  public safety  and hold  people                                                               
accountable,  and   the  evidence   shows  that   lengthy  prison                                                               
sentences simply do not reduce recidivism, he advised.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:07:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  referred  to  discretionary  parole  and  advised  the                                                               
commission's  intent was  to  expand and  streamline  the use  of                                                               
discretionary  parole  in  Alaska.   He  advised  that  when  the                                                               
commission  reviewed discretionary  parole  in  Alaska they  were                                                               
surprised by how  few offenders were eligible for  parole, and of                                                               
those few  eligible how  few even  applied for it.   Many  of the                                                               
commission members reported the  fact that the parole application                                                               
process was so confusing that  many offenders simply chose to opt                                                               
out  and  serve their  sentence  out  in  full.   The  commission                                                               
recommended addressing  it in two ways:  dumping Alaska's current                                                               
confusing parole eligibility statutes,  whereby, the most serious                                                               
unclassified  offenses  are  eligible for  parole  but  offenders                                                               
convicted  of the  sale of  heroin,  for example,  are not;  and,                                                               
expanding  eligibility to  all but  the most  serious class  A or                                                               
unclassified felony offenders  with prior convictions, otherwise,                                                               
the inmate would  be eligible for parole.   The commission sought                                                               
to  create  an administrative  parole  process  that would  allow                                                               
first  time  felony  class  B,  and  class  C,  offenders  to  be                                                               
presumptively  paroled at  their eligibility  date, only  if they                                                               
had complied with  their case plan, a victim had  not requested a                                                               
hearing,   and   they   were   a   model   prisoner,   he   said.                                                               
Administrative   parole   was   built   into   the   commission's                                                               
recommendations  and, he  said, the  commission would  argue that                                                               
having that  automatic administrative parole for  someone that is                                                               
compliant just makes sense.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:09:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  referred  to the  recommendation  regarding  specialty                                                               
parole release  for long-term geriatric inmates  wherein the data                                                               
revealed  that the  population of  old inmates  has increased  by                                                               
times  two  over  the last  10  years.    He  described it  as  a                                                               
population  statistic in  that baby  boomers are  aging and  that                                                               
older  people are  not  the  healthiest people  in  the world  in                                                               
general.   The idea, he explained,  was to not summarily  let the                                                               
geriatric  population out  of jail,  but  to at  least offer  the                                                               
possibility of  parole at an  earlier date  if they had  served a                                                               
substantial  term of  sentence.   This  is the  consensus of  the                                                               
commission  that  made  sense  to   all  members,  including  the                                                               
attorney general,  public defender, court system,  and judges, he                                                               
advised.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:10:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO referred  to the  final  sentencing recommendation  and                                                               
advised  the  recommendation  is  to  incentivize  completion  of                                                               
treatment  for sex  offenders with  an  earned time  credit.   In                                                               
2006, the  state got  "Tough on  Crime" with  regard to  the very                                                               
serious problem  of sexual  abuse of a  minor and  sexual assault                                                               
and  the legislature  doubled and  in some  instances tripled  or                                                               
quadrupled sex offender  sentence lengths.  Due  to the increased                                                               
sentence lengths,  the sexual offender  population in  prison has                                                               
grown by 38 percent over the  last decade and is currently nearly                                                               
one-quarter of the  sentenced inmate population.   He pointed out                                                               
that without  changes to  safely reduce  sex offender  lengths of                                                               
stay this prison population will  continue to grow and is growing                                                               
the  fastest.    The  commission  debated  whether  to  recommend                                                               
reducing  sex offender  sentences and  decided "No,"  instead the                                                               
commission  recommended making  some sex  offenders eligible  for                                                               
discretionary  parole.   He stressed  that the  recommendation is                                                               
simply  parole eligibility  and that  parole eligibility  was not                                                               
extended  to  the  most  serious class  A  and  unclassified  sex                                                               
offenders.  Discretionary parole is  not an automatic release but                                                               
rather creates  an opportunity for  the inmate to put  before the                                                               
Parole  Board their  behavior and  whether  the programming  they                                                               
received in prison is sufficient.   Thereby, the Parole Board can                                                               
review each inmate on a  case-by-case basis and determine what is                                                               
appropriate for that inmate in terms of release.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:12:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  pointed out  that rehabilitation  for sex  offenders is                                                               
not about  curing them or about  making sure they no  longer have                                                               
deviant thoughts, but rather it  is [changing their] behavior and                                                               
ensuring that  they make better  choices regardless of  what they                                                               
think.    Yes,  sex  offenders can  be  rehabilitated,  he  said,                                                               
through  programming   based  upon  appropriate   boundaries  and                                                               
cognitive behavioral programming  that identifies thinking errors                                                               
such  as,   justifications  that  place  blame   for  anti-social                                                               
behavior on  someone else or  something else.  He  explained that                                                               
behavioral group  therapy holds  offenders accountable  for their                                                               
thinking errors and builds the  offender's ability to make better                                                               
choices.    He  expressed  that evidence  has  proven  that  with                                                               
therapy  together  with  strict   community  supervision  by  the                                                               
community   probation   officers,  restrictions   on   residency,                                                               
restrictions on travel, restrictions  on internet use, and public                                                               
condemnation  associated  with  sex offender  registration,  that                                                               
sexual  offenders  in general  are  seeing  the lowest  level  of                                                               
recidivism of the entire prison population.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:14:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN asked  Mr. Razo to restate  the percentage of                                                               
the prison populations that are  sex offenders, and further asked                                                               
whether the discussion had been  about extreme sexual offenses as                                                               
compared to the 18 year old with a 12 year old.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO said he would have to look through his notes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  opined  that  it  was 38  percent  of  the  prison                                                               
population.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  offered that due  to the increase in  sentence lengths,                                                               
the sex  offender population in  prison has increased  38 percent                                                               
over the last 10 years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN verified  that Mr. Razo said  it increased 38                                                               
percent and not that 38 percent  of the prison population are sex                                                               
offenders.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  clarified  that  almost   25  percent  of  the  prison                                                               
population are sex offenders.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO, in  response to  Chair LeDoux,  responded 25  percent,                                                               
one-quarter.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:16:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE,   Director,  Legal  Services   Section,  Criminal                                                               
Division,  Department of  Law (DOL),  said he  was available  for                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  asked  Mr.  Skidmore  to  speak  directly  to  the                                                               
question of felony  theft limits and the  prosecutions for theft,                                                               
and  further  asked that  if  the  committee changes  the  felony                                                               
levels will people be less likely to be prosecuted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that  there is  not an  easy straightforward                                                               
answer,  but  answered  that  within the  last  three  years  the                                                               
criminal  division's budget  has  been cut  by  greater than  six                                                               
percent  and those  reductions  meant they  had  to reduce  their                                                               
personnel  by  six percent.    He  advised that  while  preparing                                                               
information  for  the  budget  realized   that  six  percent  is,                                                               
interestingly  enough, the  exact same  percentage of  cases they                                                               
declined.     In  reviewing  those  numbers,   advised  that  the                                                               
prosecutors have tried to focus on  what they deem to be the most                                                               
important cases and crimes by  evaluating everything based on the                                                               
evidence and  whether they  can prove it.   Although,  when their                                                               
resources are  limited they  also have to  determine where  it is                                                               
best they  devote those  resources.  He  offered that  his office                                                               
did see a greater increase  in the declining of misdemeanors than                                                               
of felonies due  to the fact that if they  have to choose between                                                               
prosecuting a felony versus prosecuting  a misdemeanor, they will                                                               
usually  choose the  prosecution of  the felony  because it  is a                                                               
more  serious crime.    He stressed  that it  does  not mean  his                                                               
office would automatically  decline misdemeanor thefts, although,                                                               
if  they  have  a  difficult   choice  between  a  felony  and  a                                                               
misdemeanor  there may  be an  impact on  the decision  that they                                                               
have  to make  with  limited  resources and  he  left  it to  the                                                               
committee  to  determine  where  the  threshold  should  be  set.                                                               
Anecdotally, he remarked,  during his 18 years  of prosecuting he                                                               
supervised  the  Anchorage Property  Unit  and  the felony  crime                                                               
threshold was $500.   He noted that there was  an internal policy                                                               
that unless a person stole more  than $2,000, they were offered a                                                               
misdemeanor resolution and that did not  mean no jail.  There are                                                               
provisions  in   this  bill  that   would  actually   reduce  the                                                               
sentences,  even for  misdemeanor property  offenses, which  is a                                                               
policy  call and  recommended by  the commission.   He  continued                                                               
that  many  places  within  the Department  of  Law  having  been                                                               
following that general guideline and  that is where inflation has                                                               
been.  It would not materially  change what happens in the way in                                                               
which  they handle  cases, he  opined  but he  doesn't know  what                                                               
happens with  Alaska's budget or the  criminal division's budget,                                                               
overall.  He acknowledged that his  answer is not clear cut as he                                                               
does not think there is a clear cut answer to the question.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX pointed  out that it appears  the business community                                                               
might have a reason to be concerned.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  noted that in  Anchorage, most of  the misdemeanors                                                               
are now prosecuted by the  municipal prosecutor's office and they                                                               
do  not engage  in that  same analysis  from the  standpoint that                                                               
they don't prosecute felonies, and  only misdemeanors.  People in                                                               
the business  community could be  upset if his office  declined a                                                               
case and, he offered that  earlier this year he had conversations                                                               
with folks in the Kenai office  regarding the fact that they were                                                               
prosecuting $5 shoplifts.   Mr. Skidmore advised them  that it is                                                               
very  difficult for  the  department to  expend  resources on  $5                                                               
shoplifts when there are serious  sexual assaults that need their                                                               
time and  attention, and  he was concerned  about whether  or not                                                               
they  were receiving  that  attention.   He  expressed that  they                                                               
would  not  automatically decline  those  cases,  but that  their                                                               
resources are something they take into consideration.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:21:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN surmised  that when  Mr. Skidmore  was the                                                               
director  of the  property unit  there was  a $2,000  cutoff that                                                               
even though it was technically  a felony, they never charged them                                                               
as felonies and  charged them as misdemeanors.   He asked whether                                                               
that is still the policy in the criminal division.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE stressed  that was not his  testimony, and clarified                                                               
that when cases  came to his office and were  charged as felonies                                                               
they  would resolve  them by  engaging in  plea negotiations  and                                                               
resolve them as  a misdemeanor if it was under  $2,000.  He could                                                               
not  say whether  that is  still the  way in  which that  unit is                                                               
operating, and pointed out that at  the time of those policies he                                                               
was one  of two  people in  the unit  and it  was supposed  to be                                                               
staffed by four people, and  explained that they engaged in those                                                               
practices to try to focus  their resources where they most needed                                                               
to be focused.  Currently,  he explained, the Anchorage office no                                                               
longer has  a theft  unit because the  Anchorage office  has been                                                               
reorganized to be  focused on individual judges for  a whole host                                                               
of reasons that  he did not want to take  up the committee's time                                                               
to analyze now.  He related  that he does not know whether felony                                                               
theft cases under  $2,000 are being resolved  as misdemeanors and                                                               
he would have  to talk with folks about that.   He expressed that                                                               
the Department  of Law as  a whole  supports the increase  of the                                                               
felony  theft  threshold  because  it  is  consistent  with  what                                                               
inflation  has done,  and it  is consistent  with the  division's                                                               
view of  how resources  should be  handled.   That does  not mean                                                               
that  no one  should  be prosecuting  misdemeanors,  and they  do                                                               
still  prosecute  misdemeanor  thefts.   Although,  in  terms  of                                                               
resources  put  into  misdemeanor  thefts,  this  is  a  resource                                                               
analysis  they've already  been engaged  in and  for that  reason                                                               
support this change in the law.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  referred to an Anchorage  Fred Meyer store                                                               
with a  shoplift charge of $1,500,  and asked whether it  will be                                                               
referred to the municipal prosecutor's  office to go forward, and                                                               
not be prosecuted by the state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered  that if the changes in HB  205 are enacted                                                               
and placed  into law, the  answer to  his question would  be yes,                                                               
because  it would  be a  misdemeanor case  and prosecuted  by the                                                               
municipality as opposed to the Anchorage D.A.'s office.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  noted that  his question  was specifically                                                               
today under existing law.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE responded  that that  was  the second  part he  was                                                               
about to answer,  and said it would be referred  to the Anchorage                                                               
District Attorney's  Office because  it would  be a  felony level                                                               
crime above the  current threshold of $750.  It  would be charged                                                               
as  a felony,  referred to  the Anchorage  office and  they would                                                               
evaluate  the case  in terms  of  what was  stolen, the  criminal                                                               
history of  the person with  a greater emphasis placed  on repeat                                                               
offenders, and if  the office deemed it  appropriate to prosecute                                                               
as a felony they  would continue to do so, he  explained.  In the                                                               
event it was deemed appropriate  to resolve as a misdemeanor they                                                               
would make  that offer and  continue to  handle the case  and not                                                               
simply just dismiss it.  He  said he doesn't know that they would                                                               
refer to the municipality because it  came in as a felony and the                                                               
division sees those cases through to the end resolution.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:25:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  said in broad  terms on a policy  level in                                                               
terms of  discussions with the  business community  being unhappy                                                               
that  the prosecutor's  office, based  on resource  realities, is                                                               
electing  to  prosecute some  felonies  by  today's standards  as                                                               
misdemeanors.   He noted,  "At some  level that  unhappiness, the                                                               
response is  'Well, I guess  they're telling  us that we  need to                                                               
fund more prosecutors  to be able to prosecute more  cases.'  And                                                               
our  response to  the  business community  might  very well  say,                                                               
'Well,  we've kind  of got  this  financial problem  and if  you,                                                               
business  community,  want to  fund  a  bunch of  prosecutors  to                                                               
prosecute these  thefts, we're  certainly happy  to come  up with                                                               
ways to  tax the business  community."  His prediction,  he said,                                                               
is that they probably won't  be that interested in that proposal.                                                               
So at some  level the question becomes more  resources that we're                                                               
willing to  dedicate to  prosecution as  the big  budget question                                                               
and not really the question of  raising the theft threshold."  He                                                               
asked whether  that would  be a fair  description of  reality the                                                               
state is  looking at, knowing that  Mr. Skidmore is not  asked to                                                               
make decisions about allocations of money.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE opined  that Representative  Claman is  accurate to                                                               
say that  that is not  something that  is appropriate for  him to                                                               
comment  on, because  those  are larger  policy  matters that  he                                                               
leaves to the legislature and its wisdom.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:27:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked  whether Mr. Skidmore had  anything further he                                                               
would like to comment on.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE advised  that he  is the  director of  the criminal                                                               
division and he  has served the people of Alaska  for 18 years as                                                               
a prosecutor.   He has  worked in Kenai, Bethel,  Dillingham, and                                                               
Anchorage in  supervising the Property  and Violent  Crimes Unit,                                                               
as well as the supervisor  of Special Prosecution before becoming                                                               
the director  of the criminal division.   He related that  he was                                                               
not a member  of the Alaska Justice Criminal  Commission, but the                                                               
attorney general  was, and he  attended a number of  the meetings                                                               
and tried to follow  much of what they did.   He thanked a number                                                               
of  individuals.    He  said  that HB  205  adopts  many  of  the                                                               
recommendations if  not all  of the  recommendations made  by the                                                               
commission and  he will  broadly describe  a couple  of concepts.                                                               
The  commission  found that  the  current  rate of  incarceration                                                               
would  result in  having  to  build a  new  prison  and that  the                                                               
policies currently found in many  aspects of the criminal justice                                                               
system  have not  resulted in  the rate  of recidivism  that many                                                               
would like  to see.   The PEW Charitable  Trust, early on  in his                                                               
conversations with them,  also acknowledged that the  work of the                                                               
commission and that  PEW could help focus  on reducing recidivism                                                               
rates  and lowering  the prison  population.   They  do not  have                                                               
metrics  for  analyzing  public  safety,  per  se,  or  community                                                               
condemnation and  those were not  focused on, but  the commission                                                               
kept those things  in mind.  This was supported  by the fact that                                                               
both the  governor and legislative  leaders asked  the commission                                                               
to make  recommendations that could reduce  the prison population                                                               
by as much  as 25 percent.  In sentencing,  the commission looked                                                               
at low-level offenses  and lowering class B  misdemeanors from 90                                                               
days  to  10  days  as  the  maximum  sentence;  and  creating  a                                                               
presumptive maximum  of 30-day  sentences, with  some exceptions,                                                               
for class  A misdemeanors.  He  noted that the exceptions  in the                                                               
bill  attempt to  be consistent  with current  case law,  such as                                                               
Blakely, and that refinements need  to be made to those sections.                                                             
The  refinements are  not  due to  any  recommendations from  the                                                               
commission  but  just  understanding  how that  law  works.    He                                                               
extended  that  the  Department  of Law  (DOL)  is  committed  to                                                               
working  with the  sponsor's office  to ensure  that the  bill is                                                               
drafted in a manner that is consistent with current case law.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:30:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE offered that the  commission also worked on reducing                                                               
theft  crimes, both  in terms  of the  threshold for  felonies as                                                               
well as  how they were  sentenced.  With regard  to misdemeanors,                                                               
the  commission created  the  presumptive range  of  30 days  for                                                               
class  B misdemeanors,  a maximum  of 10  days.   He referred  to                                                               
other theft crimes  and said the commission would  not send these                                                               
people to jail  and would put them on probation  because that was                                                               
just  as  effective  at  reducing  recidivism  and  perhaps  more                                                               
effective than  putting people in jail.   He pointed out  that it                                                               
runs  counter  to what  many  people  think  of in  the  criminal                                                               
justice  system   but  those  are  the   recommendations  of  the                                                               
commission, and if the issue  is spending less money, focusing on                                                               
theft crimes  is an appropriate way  to do that.   The commission                                                               
looked at  narcotics and made  recommendations for  changes there                                                               
and  also  lowered  sentences, and  beyond  that  the  commission                                                               
turned to presumptive sentencing on  all felonies, other than sex                                                               
felonies, and reduced  those ranges.  He said he  agrees that the                                                               
legislature  originally   intended  to  create  ranges   and  the                                                               
evidence suggests  that the  amount of  sentences imposed  did in                                                               
fact increase.   Previous  testimony related  13 percent  for the                                                               
property offenses and  16 percent for drug  offenses.  Therefore,                                                               
the  commission  recommended  reducing those  presumptive  ranges                                                               
and,  he expressed,  that he  sees nothing  wrong with  that, and                                                               
advised it  is strictly  a policy  call and  given the  amount of                                                               
money having been spent that  seems to appropriate overall.  From                                                               
that point, the  commission asked how else could  they reduce the                                                               
number of people in prison and  they then turned to probation and                                                               
parole.  He noted that, although,  he is not the expert on parole                                                               
he  agrees  that  having greater  eligibility  for  discretionary                                                               
parole  makes sense.   There  was  one area  in which  it is  not                                                               
discretionary and he wanted to  be certain folks understood that.                                                               
He  said this  is  consistent with  the  recommendation from  the                                                               
commission and that is administrative  parole.  He explained that                                                               
administrative parole is a "shall  release," and the Parole Board                                                               
does  not  get discretion  if  someone  is eligible  "they  shall                                                               
release them."   That's the recommendation of  the commission and                                                               
that's the way HB 205 addresses it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:32:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE advised that the  commission then turned to the idea                                                               
of using "stick  and carrot," and from a  logical standpoint that                                                               
certainly makes  sense.  If  there are misbehaving folks  and the                                                               
goal is to  change that behavior it must be  approached both from                                                               
offering  rewards  when  they  do  positive  things  as  well  as                                                               
penalties for  negative actions.   He said those are  the overall                                                               
concepts that  they attempted  to adopt, and  he cannot  say that                                                               
every prosecutor will  be thrilled with all of  those changes but                                                               
when  reviewing  the overall  problem  presented,  many of  these                                                               
solutions  certainly  make  sense   logically  and  the  evidence                                                               
appears to support many of them.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:34:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
QUINLAN  STEINER,  Director,   Central  Office,  Public  Defender                                                               
Agency (PDA), Department of Administration  (DOA), said he is the                                                               
public defender for the State  of Alaska and the commission asked                                                               
him  to  attend  the  committee meeting  to  discuss  and  answer                                                               
questions regarding  the drug recommendations and  the changes in                                                               
HB 205.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER noted  an issue  that  had not  been discussed  with                                                               
regard to the felony theft  reductions and said there does remain                                                               
a  recidivist provision  for misdemeanors  such  that a  person's                                                               
third class A  misdemeanor prosecution remains a  felony so there                                                               
is a recidivist statute.  He said  he cannot speak for DOL but he                                                               
knows that each  community is different across the  state, and in                                                               
Anchorage  many  of  the  misdemeanors   are  prosecuted  by  the                                                               
municipality.   Within small  communities, the  prosecutors often                                                               
know the  individuals involved  and he  opined that  those things                                                               
are  factored  in  when  cases  are screened  in  if  someone  is                                                               
repeatedly  getting  into  trouble,  it  may  be  something  that                                                               
factors into their decision to screen something in.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:35:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER asked  for  clarification,  "It's a  third                                                               
misdemeanor but  it would be, if  this were to pass,  it would be                                                               
at the higher threshold."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER answered  correct, the  thresholds would  be raised.                                                               
He turned  to the  recommendations involving  the drugs,  and was                                                               
struck by the  data on the impact of incarceration,  that jail in                                                               
fact increases  recidivism in  many cases and  it has  a negative                                                               
effect  on what  the  state  is trying  to  achieve  in terms  of                                                               
rehabilitation.   He said  he was  also struck  by the  fact that                                                               
jurisdictions handling  possession as a misdemeanor  had slightly                                                               
lower rates of  crime in terms of property  crime, violent crime,                                                               
and drug  use.  He explained  that, based upon those  data points                                                               
and other supporting data, the  recommendation was made to reduce                                                               
possession to a  misdemeanor across the board for  all drugs with                                                               
a  graduated scheme  for first,  second and  third possession  to                                                               
increase the penalty  and the incentive to  complete treatment or                                                               
participate  in treatment.    The  goal being  not  just to  save                                                               
money, but  to promote rehabilitation, promote  opportunities for                                                               
drug  and  alcohol  treatment, and  for  individuals  to  address                                                               
whatever the  underlying issues are  that are driving  their drug                                                               
use.   The scheme  has been  changed, and in  a sense  treats all                                                               
drugs the same,  possession is a misdemeanor,  low-level sales is                                                               
a low-level felony, and sales  of larger quantities merits a much                                                               
larger response.   The data  across the board suggested  that the                                                               
longer jail  sentences didn't do  anything to  reduce recidivism.                                                               
He  reminded  the  committee  that primarily  the  focus  of  the                                                               
commission  was to  ensure  a reduction  in  recidivism and  that                                                               
public  safety was  paramount through  all of  these discussions.                                                               
The commission  was trying to save  money, and in fact  wanted to                                                               
be  certain the  public  was safe  and the  crime  went down,  he                                                               
related.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:39:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEAN  WILLAMS, Commissioner  Designee, Department  of Corrections                                                               
(DOC), advised he was available to answer questions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  whether he  would  like to  discuss the  sex                                                               
offender  treatment program,  and opined  that committee  members                                                               
may have concerns.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS  deferred to Laura Brooks,  DOC Health Care                                                               
Administrator.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX noted that her office  would be in touch to schedule                                                               
Ms. Brooks' testimony.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:41:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  referred  to  Section  61,  the  120  day                                                               
restriction on  electronic monitoring  for pretrial  release, and                                                               
noted  that he  had  previously asked  the  actual percentage  of                                                               
cases that  go to trial versus  cases that are dismissed  or pled                                                               
out.   He  said he  would  like to  get the  statistic and  asked                                                               
whether Chair  LeDoux would like  the information  distributed to                                                               
the entire committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX responded in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[HB 205 was held over.]                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 205 Memo - RE Committee Questions from 3.16.16.pdf HJUD 3/18/2016 12:30:00 PM
HB 205
HB 205 - Backup Documents - Discussion of ACJC drug recommendations.pdf HJUD 3/18/2016 12:30:00 PM
HB 205
Sentencing Presentation 3.18.16.pdf HJUD 3/18/2016 12:30:00 PM
HB 205